From the FOP:
On 3/31/2021, CMPD Chief Jennings spoke with WSOC-TV reporter Glenn Counts regarding subpoena power for the Citizen’s Review Board (CRB).
Chief Jennings supports the CRB having subpoena power to compel officers to testify. (Click Here For The WSOC Story)
The City of Charlotte describes the CRB as serving only in an advisory capacity to the Chief of Police, the City Manager and the City Council. The CRB itself cannot take disciplinary action against a police officer or award damages to an injured citizen. The CRB only can advise the Chief of Police and the City Manager when it becomes clear to the CRB that the disciplinary decision of the police department was a serious mistake.
Compelling officers and citizens to testify in non-criminal matters, especially to an "advisory" board sets a dangerous precedent. This Lodge, along with CMPD Officers, have continuously asked Chief Jennings to create morale-boosting improvements but requests are denied. This is an additional blow to officer welfare.
The Fraternal Order of Police, Lodge #9 has always been open to fairness and working to build trust in our communities. However, using courts to compel officers to testify in non-criminal matters is something we firmly oppose. It's time the department stands to protect officer’s civil rights, as they do to protect those of Charlotteans.
FOP Lodge 9 will meet tomorrow night to discuss this mater and other items.
This Bill has been introduced in the NC General Assembly under SENATE BILL DRS45115-ND-60A*.
Particular interest is this bill states:
If a person fails or refuses to obey a subpoena issued pursuant to this subdivision, the Board may apply to the General Court of Justice, Superior Court Division, for an order requiring that the subpoena be obeyed, and the court shall have jurisdiction to issue the order after notice to all parties.
If a person fails or refuses to obey a subpoena issued pursuant to this subdivision, the Board may apply to the General Court of Justice, Superior Court Division, for an order requiring that the subpoena be obeyed, and the court shall have jurisdiction to issue the order after notice to all parties.
The City of Charlotte describes the CRB as serving only in an advisory capacity to the Chief of Police, the City Manager and the City Council. The CRB itself cannot take disciplinary action against a police officer or award damages to an injured citizen. The CRB only can advise the Chief of Police and the City Manager when it becomes clear to the CRB that the disciplinary decision of the police department was a serious mistake.
Compelling officers and citizens to testify in non-criminal matters, especially to an "advisory" board sets a dangerous precedent. This Lodge, along with CMPD Officers, have continuously asked Chief Jennings to create morale-boosting improvements but requests are denied. This is an additional blow to officer welfare.
The Fraternal Order of Police, Lodge #9 has always been open to fairness and working to build trust in our communities. However, using courts to compel officers to testify in non-criminal matters is something we firmly oppose. It's time the department stands to protect officer’s civil rights, as they do to protect those of Charlotteans.
FOP Lodge 9 will meet tomorrow night to discuss this mater and other items.
But concerns with the CRB doesn't stop there.
The board is hardly the non-partisan oversite advisory board it was originally supposed to be. It has become a legalized officer lynch mob filled with not citizens, but rather wackivists intent on defunding the police and punishing CMPD Officers with a vengeance.
A review of public voting records show every one currently serving on the board is a registered democrat.
The majority of the board is African American. Hardly embracing diversity. Hispanic and Asian communities have zero representation.
But let's look deeper:
According to Charlotte.gov the following rules apply to all board members:
All applicants must be a registered voter in Mecklenburg County.
Current and former City employees, and the spouse, parents, and children of a current or former CMPD officer, shall not be eligible to serve on the board.
Nominees are subject to a state criminal background check.
Individuals with a felony conviction or Class A1 misdemeanor conviction shall not be eligible to serve. Individuals with a Class 1 or Class 2 misdemeanor conviction within 3 years of their nomination for appointment shall be ineligible to serve.
Members must be continually domiciled within Mecklenburg County and be registered to vote within the County.
All board members shall attend and successfully complete the Charlotte-Mecklenburg Police Department's Citizens Academy and receive training on relevant legal and policy issues as required by the City Manager. This training must be completed prior to any board appointee serving as a member of the board.
Candidates for the board may be interviewed by a panel comprised of a representative from the Community Relations Committee, the Citizens Review Board and the City Manager's Office to assess core characteristics necessary to serve on the board. Such panels shall provide their assessments to the relevant appointing authority.
Each member of the board shall participate in at least eight hours of training each calendar year, which training may include a four-hour "ride-along" with a CMPD officer.
Appointees are subject to City Council's Attendance and Anti-Harassment Policies.
Appointees are subject to the Code of Ethics, Gift Policy and Disclosure Requirements for members of boards and must file a Statement of Economic Interest by February 1st each year.
Appointees must sign and adhere to a confidentiality agreement.
Appointees serve on a voluntary basis without compensation.
Current Citizens Review Board Members:
Tonya Jameson (Chair) - appointed by Charlotte City Council
Term Expires July 31, 2021
E. Thomas Bowers - appointed by Charlotte City Council
Term Expires July 31, 2021
Faith Watson - appointed by the City Manager
Term Expires July 31, 2023
Removed By Request
Magaliz Giraud - appointed by the Mayor
Term Expires July 31, 2021
Marc A. Jensen - appointed by the Charlotte City Manager
Term Expires July 31, 2021
Robert Keene - appointed by the Mayor
Term Expires July 31, 2022
John Watkins (Vice-Chair) appointed by the Mayor
Term Expires July 31, 2023
Jeffrey Simpson - appointed by the Charlotte City Manager
Term Expires July 31, 2022
Samuel Smith - appointed by Charlotte City Council
Term Expires July 31, 2022
La Becky Roe - appointed by Charlotte City Council
Term Expires July 31, 2023
Brittenay Causieestko-Lee - appointed by Charlotte City Council
Term Expires July 31, 2023
Cedar's Take:
At odds with common sense is the revised wording that allows the "chair" to subpoena a witness or to "compel" production of evidence. Allowing one person, in this case Tonya Jameson the power to force a CMPD officer to produce his/her personal cell phone records as an example, is pretty troubling.
In the conduct of evidentiary fact-finding proceedings, any of the following maysubpoena witnesses and compel the production of evidence: (i) the chair, (ii)the vice-chair when acting in the absence of the chair, and (iii) a majority ofthe members of the Board. If a person fails or refuses to obey a subpoenaissued pursuant to this subdivision, the Board may apply to the GeneralCourt of Justice, Superior Court Division, for an order requiring that thesubpoena be obeyed, and the court shall have jurisdiction to issue the orderafter notice to all parties.
75 comments:
Let them subpoena me. I’ve got a bad memory sometimes. I do, however, remember to tell a fool to go fuck themselves. Since it’s not a court I won’t be found in contempt.. see how many times they subpoena me after that.
HOW IS THE CHIEF ON OUR SIDE? THE GUY ALWAYS SIDES WITH THE DEMOCRATS AND NEVER WITH THE COPS THAT REPORT TO HIM. THIS IS REDICULOUS. THE ENTIRE CRB IS BLACK AND THEY DONT LIKE THE COPS AT ALL. ITS JUST ANOTHER WAY FOR THE DEPT TO SET UP GOOD COPS AND MAKE IT LOOK OBJECTIVE WHEN ITS ALL DIRTY POLITICS TO MAKE YOU LOOK BAD WHEN YOU GO TO THE STATE BOARD HEARING.
SMOOCHY XOXO
It’s incredibly disappointing to have so much time left till retirement and see the depths to which things are sinking with this organization. For an entire list of morale boosting suggestions by the FOP to the chief to be shit on so cavalier is just another kick in our shriveled up nuts. My favorite is the counter to the vest request about how their are other studies which cite how they’re bad for your upper back. Well fuck me, cause there are studies showing how bad for your health wearing a mask is, so I think I’ll just go along with that study instead. This city is facing record breaking violent crime and yet the priorities are on uniform appearance and professional standards’ body camera threats. They have the authority upstairs to unleash absolute hell on violent repeat criminals, but according to the chief, the only way to curb violent crime like the 7 year old girl being shot is to engage in community outreach. FUCK I can’t retire fast enough.
Join the crowd! Command Staff of both CMPD and CFD stuck! Two sets of rules, understaffed, moral sucks, and City Council is a joke! If they offered me a buyout today, I’d take it in a fucking heartbeat! I’d be out the door before the ink dried.
When does this clown retire? “Employee wellness”, my ass. This Chief couldn’t give two shits about the boots on the ground and he’s made that more than evident in his decision-making. We are heading into our second straight record-breaking year of violence with officers working an overwhelming load and we can’t even get the slightest consideration of a simple request like an outer vest carrier. If the outer carrier is such a safety risk, then why do POB officers wear them in the middle of a riot when they are more likely than ever to be grabbed by suspects? Furthermore, please show me the research that’s says these vests are more detrimental to health that duty belts. These suggestions all just sound like excuses coming from the authoritarian-led command staff in the Chief’s office. I am truly sickened by this so-called “leader”.
JJ is a pussy and has become a puppet for CLTCC, Manager, and BLM. It's called self preservation. He will do his few years as Chief and bail with a nice fat pension. He is not concerned with the boots or what is in their best interest. All of the community bridge building BS is just smoke and mirrors to keep the dogs off until he can retire. Meanwhile, the troops continue to grind it out and he pounds his chest about the work being done as though he knows anything about it. What a pitiful excuse for a leader.
"New York City Council Passes Police Reforms That Includes Ending Qualified Immunity For NYPD Officers"
This is coming to Charlotte folks. The PoPo are screwed
Holy Crap! Cedar are you serious? Tonya Jamison is board chair? How the hell does someone who has had run ins with LE and raged about racist police get appointed to this board?
Seems pretty diverse to me. Some day CltMeck is going to turn over on itself in a brown revolt. The non-Afam majority will wonder where their seat at the table has been. Clt will have some empty signs in Eastover yards as a response. For the Caucasians left, this should signal that those charged with protecting you, are not going to be protected themselves. You may want to sell yesterday while the market is white hot.
Brittenay Causieestko-Lee is another racist that woman has ruined the YWCA turned a once great organization into a shit hole hang out for dikes and trans idiots. They spend all day talking about race and white privilege so the major donors have dumped the YWCA even more so after they started supporting trans bathrooms and abortions.
Call me stupid but why doesn't the Mecklenburg BOCC appoint members to this board?
I also hear the Jeff Jackson the cop hater is a co-sponsor of this bill and also supports removal of qualified immunity.
Freaking transplants are going to ruin this city.
^^I was just about to write that.
Tarik Bakari could easily nominate some republican ex cops to sit on this board, so why is he so quiet these days? If his business can't make money off this then he doesn't care?
In fairness Cedar I think they do have one white male on the board.
But JJ is a total ass clown we should BoLo his Silver Mercedes with a NC Senate Plate. He needs to get his ass hammered asap.
Cedar where are the rest of the photos?
Nothing good can come out of this bunch. Cedar is holding back, but I'll tell you if you knew the background on just 3 of them you'd start planning your exit. If you are a white cop your ass is grass and the Chief and the DA are lawn mowers. The only hope you have is the SBI. And I'd not bet my life on those fools.
452,
Honestly, this place has being a crapshoot for 6 years. Anyone that has chosen to stay cant leave due to kids. Telling people to leave at this point is like telling people to leave when the hurricane has been over their house for 5 days.
Lets just all wish them the best of luck with their future civil lawsuits and home foreclosures. Immunity will be gone and your fait falls within the views of stupid, racist democrats with axes to grind.
^^^ that’s ok man. Let it become a “Chocolate City” like New Orleans. Before long they’ll be begging for white cops to come back. Deep down they know they can’t do it. As much as they preach equality they know that “our people” work harder and are smarter. I think they’re smart enough to see the pattern. Detroit, New York, Baltimore, Kansas City. You get the point.
Believe it or not it’s really hard to get on the Citizens Review Board I have tired several times in 5 years. Don’t forget that stupid Civil Leadership 4 month course that’s required to even be considered. Mayor VI has lost it she doesn’t care about the city she is onboard with Biden for a seat in the senate or governor.
PWorld spot on only those with the right liberal mindset get appointed.
Lovely list of loons and losers. Tonya?? You mean the failed "party girl" reporter from the Observer?
Good point on the diversity of this board. Where are Latinx reps? The city is 25% Hispanic, yet not one rep.
The Asian community, of which seem to be targeted by the blacks for most of the crime in the city recently?
Is that the same Paid To Party reporter from back when the Observer had a print edition and ads?
Excuse me everyone and thank you for your time.
I work in the police attorney's office and I would like to offer you all a challenge to some of your views and false claims.
First, there are reasons why qualified immunity should be eliminated. Many officers are poorly trained and do not maintain a professional standard. They do not deserve protection by the city and police department's legal teams. Our time is valuable and we have a plethora of cases to focus on at any given moment.
Secondly, many officers feel that they are above the law that they swore an oath to serve. It makes us sick when we review some of these body cameras and observe the horrific findings. Focus your observations within your own teams, and you will have less to speak about on this highly scrutinized blog site.
Finally, we have applied many approaches to the matter of subpoena powers to the CRB. We truly value the thought and ideas of our citizens, because they are the reason that we are here and happily employed. The CRB is fully capable of drawing their own conclusions and judgements about the actions, behaviors, and statements that our guardians are completing on a daily basis. Please show the CRB a level of respect for their service to the community at large.
Sometimes, it is better to speak less than to speak more. Your thoughts and views may not be as important or socially acceptable as you believe they are.
Please have a wonderful day, and thank you for your continued service to our agency.
Troll harder 7:59pm.
Would 7:59 be the same police attorney’s who once argued that a warrant was needed to search a vehicle located in a public area when PC was present? Y’all must go to the same law school these magistrates are graduating from. But hey, it’s not our views that are sending violent crimes to all time highs, so we’ll play along. Your socially acceptable views are why places like Chicago, Baltimore, Detroit, and NYC are such great places to live and feel safe; and also why I live in peace out in Cabarrus County where it’s nice and quiet.
Union County is quieter. And we appreciate our LEO's and dont really care if they step on a few necks to keep the thugs inside Charloot City Limits. Unlike Charloot, there is a bag limit that is respected and enforced in the bordering county's. This is just one of the reasons that so many hard working citizens are abandoning Charlotte for the bedroom communities. Cheaper, Safer, and better education for our children. Let the hood rats take over. We will just watch from a distance...
7:59. That you Jessica? You and your staff are all incompetent.. probably why the city looses EVERY lawsuit brought against it. Instead of settling with these scumbags families you should actually fight... you know, do your damn job
Wow, if 1959 is a staffer at the police attorney, I wouldn't bother showing up for my next shift. Typical govco employee though, blame the police for not maintaining a standard because these cases take up their 'valuable time'. You realize that the training is the responsibility of an organization, not the individual who works in the organization, right? That maintaining a standard comes from upper leadership. When you hire folks who lie about their educational background, why would the ranks maintain a higher standard than the leader? When the city is run by literal criminals (see Patrick Cannon for example), why would those brave enough to keep the citizens safe feel compelled to hold a higher standard?
Who cares how socially acceptable someone's thoughts are. YOU are the problem with America today. A bureaucrat, plain and simple, who believes the system revolves around their mission. Lord have mercy, get out of Meck County while you still can! Let someone else pay those taxes and get this in return.
In parting, Crystal Eschart wants to thank your department for all of your 'Valuable' work. $1.5million tells me that possibly the city attorney's office is the place that needs to focus a little more on training and professional standards.
903, how does that message come off as racist? It sounds like you are the hateful racist. This page is getting out of control.
The shooter in Rock Hill has been identified and guess what? It was not a white guy with an AR-15 again.
Cedar you should delete the 9:03 comment that one is just uncalled for.
What the fuck is F-12? Is that like the old Eminem rap group? Can a SRO please advise?
Maybe run that F-12 by the paralegal upstairs. That viewpoint is more socially acceptable, apparently.
8:38. Not only Crystal.. Tinsley and that fucker Mazio not once but twice ass raped the city but they still don’t learn
You know why they don’t care? It’s not their money. It’s all on the taxpayers dime. Command staff gets a hard on for someone
They don’t care how many laws they have to break to get even.
I luv the Maz. Tinsley was so ruthless with his TV interview outside the station. The news said he couldn't find a job and Aquino lied about getting raped. SMH Charlotte.
I can't imagine someone with the city attorneys office openly condemning any officer or CMPD officers in general. But its a work world at CMPD and the new way is to free the violent felons and defund the police. Just don't think the tax payers are going to put up with it for long.
1. Since the PAO just spoke out on here I’m very concerned and feel like I should no longer be proactive.
2. What advocating is the local FOP leader, an airport officer, doing to for us other than waking around the airport waiting on retirement.
3. I hope everyone completes the latest survey sent out and let our voices be heard.
Is it so hard to believe that maybe some officers take advantage of the system and shouldnt get immunity? You see the body cam footage from Baltimore, Houston, Charlotte, Atlanta where dirty cops set up innocent people with drugs and weapons charges. The video is clear.
We have literally been speaking about Cecil, veronica, tommy, Amy, and Tinsley for years and now you all get pissed off when the attorneys defending you ask for some objectivity? Just meet opposing opinions half way and stop blinding yourself with that blue koolaid.
Who do y’all think got paid the most? Crystal, Tinsley or Maz?
I know Crystal got 1.5 mil but I don’t know about the other 2
Must be nice
Hey 10:54am I would hold that thought! A white nut just shot a cabinet store in Texas and shot 5 people. He had a AR-15 it sounds like =\
Crystal is going to join a LONG list of people that will get huge payouts from the City. Just within the CFD there are 8 pending lawsuits.
Yeah Crystal got paid more. Tinsley and Maz didn’t get close to a million
But I know Maz has the record for most suspensions and then telling command staff to go fuck themselves
Another white nut confirmed shot up the place in Texas. Cedar I hope you show him the same love you did for the Rock Hill Shooter. Let’s be fair !
Fair? Pledge fund?
The Rock Hill Shooter was a freaking loser. Typical of AF a violent druggie that libtards want us to leave alone. He'd been arrested in the past several times, yet was allowed to wander the streets. Domestic Violence, 3 50(b) orders come on man thugs like this should be put down before they have a chance to harm others. Those children and their deaths are on Vi Lyles and the rest of Charlotte's liberal nightmare.
Some one please show me were any African American politician has condemned the violence against Dr. Leeslie's family, the killing of two seniors and their grandchildren. Anyone?
Had this been a white guy killing a black family the streets would be on fire!
But because a black thug does the crime and victims are it is not a tragic event because to liberals and blacks whitey must have done something to the thug to deserve this.
First rumor spread was that he was a patient - false
Second rumor - The Dr was selling him drugs - false
Third rumor - The was known to deal drugs to people who would pay - false
The truth this was a crack head who thought the next door neighbor would be a easy victim.
He sure had great parents right?
Is that dick Chandos Williams copy catting Hummel going on the Appalachian trail but staying in hotel rooms along the way? Weak. Do it the right way and stay in a tent on the trail.
Someone please teach the “police attorney” how to spell. #hookedonphonics
Soooooooooo, has everyone tactfully stated why morale is so low on the latest survey that was put out? It’s ok to say how you feel and tell executive staff what is upsetting to you on a daily basis but, make sure you say it very softly and without anger.
12:29. I think it was someone in the police attorneys office. Have you seen the best and brightest we have up there? 1/2 those fools got a GED and University of Phoenix degree. Then went on to pursue a law degree online.
1320hours,
Do you think the homicide detectives that let the man go to jail with NO EVIDENCE deserve to have immunity?
Does Vicki Foster deserve immunity after she threatened Rob Dance and cost the city big money?
It sounds like the PAO may be somewhat right if you really think about it?
1914,
So we should all pay for the sins of a few?
I really like living in my $600,000 house so I'll keep qualified immunity to protect it.
Damn, $600k house on a police salary? How much OT you got going on? Must have a honey mama.
2104,
if smart financial decisions and quality investments is what you're referring to, then yes, I have multiple "honey mamas" named Charles Schwab, Prudential, Vanguard, etc.
There is no way the mortgage companies would extend a 500,000 loan to a cop. That's not happening without some family collateral or a honey momma. He probably lives in his grandparents old house in Ballantyne or LKN.
0853,
You're right, the loan was for approximately $400,000. Mortgage companies primarily focus on risk evaluation when deciding whether or not to approve a loan.
The house was built recently, so if that's old to you, so be it.
But let's get back to the primary issue at hand, which is the removal of qualified immunity, none of us should be willing to risk what we've worked hard for because of the Marcus Jacksons of CMPD.
my nigga you must be working some serious off dooty and OT to meet that mortgage payment. You doing that homicide unit I bet? Tru Tru?
9:22. Don’t forget about the Cecil’s of CMPD. Dare I surmise what the punishment would be if a white Major was slanging that dick on duty? Granted it wasn’t a civilian he was stopping and extorting but still... sexual misconduct should be punished with more than just a transfer from IA. If I was an officer in the hot seat while that hypocrite was up there pointing his finger at me I’d be pretty upset if I got punished. They should overturn every punishment given out while that fool was up there.
^^^ totally agree. How many lieutenants and captains sit on those boards and give out 30 day suspensions for bullshit they did much worse when they were officers. Total hypocrisy
Let’s face it, if your a white male at CMPD your a second class officer unless you drink Uncle J’s Kool-Aid. Try doing what Cecil did and keep your job in 2021.
650, you are preaching to the choir my friend.
Let's face it loosing immunity isn't so bad if we can get some of this shit off our department once and for all. I was driving in NODA today and I saw the mural with the "say their names" and the BLM mural.
Could you imagine working in Eastway? I know Ramsey is holding it down from a community perspective, but things are getting weird all over this place.
Boys you best pay your attention bill. JB said cam video makes her sick. You know they don't have your six, chief doesn't have your six, we are so under manned that you can't get back up on a high risk traffic stop, so if it goes sideways no one is going to have your six.
It just that simple. You grease a MoFo and it used to be you were a hero, then it was your career was over, now if you kill one your ass is going to prison. Is it worth it? Hell no! I don't know about you but I didn't sign up to direct traffic and hope to get enough secondary to buy a house worth $600k.
I signed up to lock up nasty ass MoFos.
2045- You advocating to work hard, lock people up, risk going to prison because you "grease a MoFo" or sit back in the Hidey Hole and relax? You drinking before you 42? Trippin' my man...
Hidey Hole Bitches!! I have been saying it for a long time. If you dont get it by now then I cant help you...
Save yourself and F%#@ everyone else.
i cant stand to work with these hot heads that want to go lock up greasy mofos. they are in every divison but south and airport. they get a boner everytime a priority 1 comes out and drive 80mph to get to it. they dont even understand how the jail and court system work. i am done with this place and was think about trasferring to moooresvile.
"Maryland becomes first state to repeal police bill of rights, overriding Hogan veto"
First NYPD and now Maryland. Its just a matter of time for Charlotte.
No will do it but a case of "blue flu" for a 48 hr period would wake these fuckers up. Could you imagine? Especially is the Wolf knows the Sheepdogs are gone for two days. Feeding frenzy. They need us no matter what they want to think. But real Police really want to help people, so get the fuck off our backs.
Did yall see that cop up in Minnesota, today?
TASER! TASER! Gunshot...dead guy.
Does that guy deserve immunity from losing his house?
Here's a hypothetical scenario if qualified immunity goes away:
Officer stops vehicle and issues traffic citation to driver for speeding.
ADA dismisses traffic citation outright.
Driver files a civil suit against Officer for 4th Amendment violation - illegal seizure.
Officer forced to settle out of court or take chances in civil court.
Does anyone think this is a good idea?
1:53, that is exactly why we have "qualified" immunity, and not general or total immunity. This officer violated the dept use of force policy and laws governing use of force and will not qualify for immunity. Granted, the officer doesn't have any money, the dept does. That is why they will focus on lack of training of something to put blame on the PD.
The Citizen's Review Board needs to the review the pledge fund!
Bunch of racist PIGS on here, you PIGS hungry? I am gonna bring a couple cans of baked beans for you during the next BLM march. Maybe even an entire case. Hope you are hungry.
Bring it on MOFO!
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